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The clocks in Pakistan were moved back by one hour on Saturday midnight.
The government had introduced daylight saving on April 15 to help overcome the shortfall of electricity which had touched 4,000 megawatts during summer.


According to estimates provided by the ministry of water and power, about 250 megawatts of power were conserved daily thanks to the decision to advance the Pakistan Standard Time (PST) by an hour. A ministry official said that one megawatt cost one million dollars.


The decision to reverse clocks by an hour will provide relief especially to students and official workers. At the peak of summer season, advancing of clocks helps conserve electricity as well as preventing office-goers, who usually start their duty at 9am, from intense heat. The reversal of clocks in winter will provide them an extra hour in the morning.


Now after moving back clocks by an hour, the sun will rise in Islamabad at 6.22am instead of 7.23 am, and will set at 5.20pm instead of 6.20pm.
The cabinet had decided to advance clocks by one hour every year with the arrival of summer to overcome the energy crisis and use maximum daylight. The country had first experimented with the DST in 2002.


Daylight Saving Time (DST) is used almost in all European countries and clocks are forwarded at the season of spring and brought back at the start of autumn.

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Today the Pakistan Prime Minister Gilani said that improving the law and order situation in the country especially in the militancy-hit NWFP remains government's top priority.

He stated that illiteracy and poverty are the root cause of terrorism in Pakistan and these issue must be settled at all cost.

As the NWFP seeks maximum share in the NFC award, the Prime Minister has announced 110 billion rupees in net hydel profit for the province.

The premier also announced 50 million rupees for the victims of Peshawar bomb blast and 25,000 rupees each for the uprooted people of Waziristan in Pakistan.

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Pakistan is a democratic country and it was established on ideology of Islam.
The total population rate recorded in July 2000 was 141,553,775.
At that time the population growth rate was 2.17%.

Today Pakistan is facing a lot of problems and the biggest one is terrorism and others are inflation, high increase of population growth and unemployment etc.

Terrorism is the major problem facing by Pakistan today. Suicide bombing attacks are going to be done every day in Pakistan and hundreds of innocent people are killed in every suicide bombing attack. The people are afraid when they move outside their houses and they imagine death on every step when they are either on roads or markets etc.

After starting the Waziristan operation, no area of Pakistan is now secure of such terrorist attacks. Our great army is fighting against these terrorists courageously but the saddest thing is that the opposite party against whom our army is fighting they are also Muslims but they are the agents of foreign countries and their conscience are dead, their minds are blocked to think that they are doing these terrorist activities against their own people and their brothers.

Some foreign countries that are saying and blaming Pakistan terrorist country, most of these countries are also behind such terrorist activities in Pakistan like India who can not be the friend of Pakistan at any cost.

It has always tried to destabilize Pakistan and is always jealous from the progress of Pakistan and still has the same thinking as it had when the Pakistan was created.

So, for its satisfaction it has always done such wrongful activities in Pakistan that the people of Pakistan regret their decision of a separate country.
India is also from one of those countries who are supporting these terrorist. Indian secret agencies are working against the integrity of Pakistan. It is supporting these terrorist by supplying them weapons, money and other things. Its efforts are to spoil the image of Pakistan and the Muslims all over the world.

Other foreign countries whom are supporting terrorist activities in Pakistan are Israel, America etc.
America has the policy that first it tries to destabilize one country and beside this it also paid the country for all destruction as aid or relief. From one side it done bad activity and from other side to get the good will of people it spend money there.

The same case is going to be held in Pakistan. All the terrorist attacks that are going to be held in Pakistan behind all of these America is also supporting these terrorists but on the other hand it is supporting the Pakistan economy and paying the Government for the lives of innocent people who are the victim of such attacks as aid and our Government who knows everything but pay salute to America and selling Pakistan and its nation to him.

This is the worse thing that we are facing here and our nation is just busy in the crises of inflation and sleeping in the grip of cable etc.

Our Government is not giving any relief to poor people. The inflation rate is very high here that the people still are in tension that who they will get their daily bread and butter and on the other hand our government is selling us in the hands of America.

Most of the people are carrying their academic degrees in their hand but they are out of jobs. Our government is not taking any fruitful steps in this regard.

Our government should take measures to stop these problems. They shouldn’t sell their country and nation in the hands of America. Our nation has the ability to fight against our enemies so Government should take the help of its people by giving them awareness regarding all the problems. Our politicians should also invest their money in Pakistan that they have in foreign countries so that the country can come out of such crises facing by today.

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LEGEND has it that at the edge of many towns in the old American West stood a last chance saloon where cowboys could get a final drink before setting off to spend months in the open prairies.

More and more, the presidency is coming to resemble this mythical watering hole where all manner of dubious characters gather.

Talking to a senior PPP figure, I got the sense that the old guard are aware that this is the last time the party is likely to come to power. A number of those in authority and their front men appear therefore determined to rake it in while they can.

If they were also providing the country with decent governance and decisive leadership, we could perhaps put up with ministers sticking their snouts into the public trough. But back in Pakistan on a brief visit, I find the same power shortages, a mounting insurgency and runaway inflation. In addition, we have the ongoing scandal of the sugar shortage.

All countries have problems of one sort or another, even though we seem to be blessed with more than our share. But elsewhere, there is usually an attempt to come to grips with them. Islamabad currently appears to be good only for issuing statements increasingly divorced from reality.

There is a lot of realism in the tacit admission that this is probably the PPP’s last stint in power. Quite apart from this government’s abysmal track record over the last 18 months or so, demographic forces have been quietly at work to marginalise Pakistan’s biggest and most popular party.

Even a cursory analysis of last year’s general elections will reveal that the PPP’s power base is now limited to rural Sindh and southern Punjab, also a largely rural area. It has been virtually eliminated as a political force in Pakistan’s major cities. With the PML-N dominating north and central Punjab, and the MQM calling the shots in Karachi and Hyderabad, the PPP is being squeezed in areas where it was at least competitive earlier.

This trend has been evident for some time now, but the PPP chose to do nothing to arrest it. Increasingly, the rising Pakistani middle class looks to more than the traditional PPP promise of roti, kapra aur makan. They want good governance, education, security and employment. And unfortunately for the PPP, they think that the PML-N is the party that can deliver on these key issues.

Despite his many limitations, Asif Zardari has tried to fill the huge void left in the PPP after Benazir Bhutto’s assassination. And to be fair to him, he has managed to keep the ship of state afloat by attempting to bring Nawaz Sharif on board, and forging some kind of consensus in the fight against terrorism. But at the end of the day, leadership is about more than backroom deals.

By withdrawing to the presidency and surrounding himself with cronies, Zardari is doing himself no favours. Another problem is the abundance of black hair dye on display in cabinet meetings. This underlines the absence of younger members at the upper levels of the party hierarchy. While experience is all very well, the PPP could certainly do with some energy, dynamism and fresh ideas. Above all, it could do with some idealism.

And although Bilawal Zardari Bhutto is being groomed for a future role as party leader, I’m afraid he does not appear to be cut out for the job. I saw him in London last year when he addressed a press conference soon after his mother’s murder. While he came across as a sensible and articulate young man, I thought then that he lacked the fire in the belly that set his mother and grandfather apart.

Never having lived in Pakistan for any length of time as an adult, and speaking little Urdu, I do not see him capturing the hearts of the PPP jiyalas as his mother and grandfather did.

Even more serious is the security threat he would be under were he to campaign in future elections. The reality is that the Bhuttos have many enemies in Pakistan, and not just from among the Taliban. Minus the Bhutto charisma and given the changing map of Pakistani politics, I do not see how the PPP can avoid the fate of being in permanent opposition.

If one adds the failure of leadership it is currently displaying to this depressing mix, I can visualise the PPP breaking up once the glue of power evaporates after the next election. Again, it was Benazir Bhutto’s personality that held the party together. The downside to her grip on the party was her unwillingness to encourage a strong second tier to emerge that could take over if the need arose.

For me, this analysis is tinged with considerable sadness. Ever since it came into being over four decades ago, I have supported the PPP. While I have been critical of many of its policies and politicians, I have broadly approved of what it stood for, even though it seldom delivered on its promises. Nevertheless, by at least addressing the concerns of the poor and the oppressed, it positioned itself as a champion of women, the minorities and the marginalised.

Even now, I find myself hoping that somehow it will drag itself up as it has done in the past. Alas, I just do not see the kind of leadership needed for this miracle to come to pass. The truth is that given his close proximity to religious extremism, I cannot support Nawaz Sharif and his faction of the Muslim League. I have always opposed the politics of ethnicity, so that rules out the MQM, despite its secular moorings. Obviously, I could never support army rule or a theocracy.

I suspect this is the dilemma many thinking Pakistanis face today. Many have stood behind the PPP over the years, but now find themselves frustrated and isolated. While I fervently hope this government will complete its term of office, I fear that deprived of the claim that it was not allowed to govern for five years, it will have its last electoral card trumped.

Finally, I do wish Zardari would stir out of his presidential bunker once in a while to express his sympathy for the victims of terrorism. It might pose a security risk, but as the old saying goes, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Last week, Iranian leaders say, this shadowy group with reported connections to countries as diverse as the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia delivered a devastating attack on Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guard. The Oct. 18 suicide bombing in an Iranian border village killed at least 42 people, including top Revolutionary Guard commanders.

The bombing suggests that ambitions by Jundallah — the Soldiers of God — have risen, and that the group is moving toward a wider uprising. Jundallah’s attack on a Shia mosque in May and recent use of suicide bombers could point to the growing influence of militant extremist groups seeking a Sunni revolt against Shia control in Iran, experts say.

Recent Jundallah attacks ‘express a clear will for a definitive rupture with the regime in Tehran,’ said Stephane Dudoignon, a Paris-based researcher who specializes in the Baluchi region. ‘It seems to be announcing an unprecedented escalation of violence in the months and years to come.’

Last week’s bombing also shows how Jundallah has become a magnet for theories and suspicions. Immediately after the attack, leaders in Tehran drew a far-reaching web of accusations linking Jundallah to supporters in Pakistan, Britain and the United States. All three nations quickly rejected the claims.

The rumblings — never clearly confirmed or debunked — span from covert US aid, to indoctrination by extremists links to smuggling networks. Reports by regional experts and interviews with security officials, including a former military chief in Pakistan, suggest Jundallah has benefited from US and Pakistani help and, more recently, may have drifted closer to anti-Shia militants with links to Saudi Arabia.

The claims of Jundallah’s outside contacts could not be independently verified. They lend support, however, to long-standing speculation of US and Pakistani encouragement to the group in efforts to rattle Iranian authorities with a low-level rebellion.

Gen. Aslam Beg, a former army chief of staff in Pakistan, told The Associated Press that the border village of Mand has been used as a staging point for US contacts with Jundallah. US aid also was funneled into the region through the Pakistani ports of Kot Kalmat and Jiwani, he alleged.

Beg, who left military service in the early 1990s, gave no other details or definitive timeline on the alleged US links to Jundallah, which operates in one of the most inaccessible areas in the region.

In an article for Time.com, former CIA field officer Robert Baer wrote that the CIA had ‘sporadic’ contact with Jundallah, but it was largely restricted to intelligence.

‘A relationship with Jundallah was never formalized,’ Baer wrote.
An officer with Pakistan’s paramilitary Frontier Corps, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, said he could shed no light on Beg’s claims. But he added that Pakistan would never allow its territory to be used for attacks against a neighbor.

Officials in Washington and London also reject any links. Shortly after the suicide bombing, State Department spokesman Ian Kelly called claims of US involvement ‘completely false.’

Yet Washington has been less clear on how it views Jundallah. The group has not been placed on any terrorist watch list or designation. Instead, it’s been described in various US reports as an ‘opposition group’ or ‘militant’ faction.

A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss internal administration deliberations, said a decision on Jundallah could come soon, but declined to elaborate. Options include designating Jundallah a ‘Foreign Terrorist Organization’ or placing it to one of several other terrorism blacklists.

Britain, too, denies any ties and has condemned Jundallah attacks. ‘They had nothing to do with the U.K.,’ Britain’s Foreign Office said in a statement.

Experts estimate Jundallah has between 250 and 1,000 fighters. They are believed bankrolled by kidnapping-for-ransom plots and smuggling goods, such as subsidized Iranian fuel, into fellow Balochi tribal areas in Pakistan and southern Afghanistan.

Jundallah’s statements in the past have called for greater rights and prosperity for Iran’s Balochi region, which is inaccessible to journalists. But a July report by the Norwegian Defense Research Establishment cites indications that Jundallah has been building ties to Pakistani militant groups, including Lashkar-e-Janghvi and Tehrik-e-Taliban.

Both groups are battling Pakistan’s military offensive into its northwestern Waziristan region.

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In Peshawar at least seven security officials have been killed while 10 others have been injured in remote-controlled explosion in Bara Tehsil of Khyber agency.


According to Frontier Corps Officials, a security forces convoy was attacked with a remote-controlled device while they were patrolling in Sorghar area.

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The Karachi Police at least 40 more suspected foreigners including 31 Afghans have been arrested during a raid in the Orangi town area of Karachi.


According to the sources, they said no weapons have been recovered in the raids and the suspects will be charged under the Foreigners Act for not producing valid documents pertaining to their stay in Pakistan.

The suspects deny any militant links and further investigations are underway.

The number of arrests in Karachi since Thursday has risen to 108.

Earlier, 62 foreigners were arrested from various seminaries in the city during police raids.

Senior police officials have told DawnNews that so far a total of 59 Afghan nationals and 3 Tajik nationals have been arrested from various areas of the metropolis.

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wound up a bridge-building visit to Pakistan on Friday leaving a pointed question ringing in her hosts’ ears: Where are the al Qaeda leaders operating in your country?

While no Pakistani officials were immediately prepared to answer, ordinary citizens told Washington’s top diplomat the country was living on a daily basis with the consequences of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks engineered by the militant Islamist group.

While most Pakistanis are against the extremists, many also believe they are fuelled by Islamabad’s links with Washington.

On Thursday Clinton expressed disbelief no-one in authority knew where al Qaeda leaders were hiding out – a remark that may fuel much reaction once she leaves the country.

‘I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to,’ she told a group of newspaper editors during a meeting in Lahore.

Clinton’s pointed remark was the first public gripe on a trip aimed at turning around a US-Pakistan relationship under serious strain, but bound in the struggle against religious extremism.

Clinton’s main message in Pakistan – that the forces binding Pakistanis and Americans together are far stronger than those dividing them – was constant, and she urged audiences to stand guard against extreme religious doctrine that seeks to impose its will on the population.

CLINTON DEFENDS BLUNT WORDS ON PAKISTAN

Hillary Clinton defended her blunt talk on Pakistan, saying it was important to have an open relationship between the countries even if it meant some tough words.

She defended her comments, that it was ‘hard to believe’ that no one in Pakistan’s government knew where al Qaeda leaders were hiding, in a series of morning television interviews aired in the United States on Friday.

‘I wanted to get that out on the table, because the Pakistanis have talked about a trust deficit and it’s a two-way street,’ Clinton said in an interview shown on NBC’s ‘Today Show.’ ‘We have questions, they have questions.’

In an interview aired on ABC’s ‘Good Morning America,’ Clinton said the two countries needed to be more open with each other.

‘It will not be sufficient to achieve the level of security that Pakistanis deserve if we don’t go after those who are still threatening not only Pakistan but Afghanistan and the rest of the world.’

In an interview with CNN, Clinton noted that she had been asking a question of Pakistan but did prejudge the answer. She also said the United States applauded Pakistan’s resolve for going after Taliban extremists.

‘But let’s not forget, they (the Taliban fighters) are now part of a terrorist syndicate that, in sort of classic syndicate terms, would be headed by al Qaeda,’ she told CNN.

FRIENDS AND SKEPTICS

Many participating in Clinton’s numerous public appearances in Pakistan expressed appreciation for US backing for the country and for Clinton’s personal outreach.

But more frequently Clinton’s ‘people to people’ diplomacy – with journalists, students and common people – has been characterised by sharp disagreements and deep distrust.

That is a potentially worrying sign for officials in Washington hoping to reverse a steep rise in anti-US sentiment in the increasingly fragile nuclear armed country.

Through it all, Clinton has proved unflappable, acknowledging the ‘trust deficit’ created by past US mistakes while firmly responding to charges the United States does not have Pakistan’s best interests at heart.

Clinton, who professes deep personal affection for Pakistan and its people, was cautiously optimistic her visit may have changed a few hearts and minds among fearful Pakistanis although she said much more needed to be done to illustrate how the United States is helping the country.

‘I’m going to try as hard as I can. But ultimately, we have to have actions between the two of us. Words are not enough,’ she said at a women’s gathering.

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United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon Thursday warned that the world body was vulnerable to more attacks in the week leading up to the Afghan elections and pleaded for more help to protect his staff.

‘We cannot do it alone,’ the secretary general told a crisis meeting of the UN Security Council following Wednesday's suicide attack by Taliban fighters on a UN guesthouse in Kabul that killed five UN staffers and wounded nine.

‘We need the support of the member states,’ he told diplomats from the world's most powerful countries.

A little over a week before Afghanistan's November 7 run-off presidential election, Ban said UN staff faced a ‘dramatically escalated’ threat and were seen as a ‘soft target.’’Increasingly, the UN is being targeted, in this case precisely because of our support for the Afghan elections,’ Ban said.

The Security Council issued a statement promising ‘strong support for the secretary general’ and saying it ‘commends the determination of the United Nations not to be deterred by the tragic incident and to carry on its mission in Afghanistan.’Ban gave few details of what could be done to secure the unarmed UN staff, who are playing a crucial role in the holding of Afghanistan's run-off election.

Wednesday's attack on the Bekhtar guesthouse, carried out by three Taliban fighters who blew themselves up after a two-hour gun battle, has raised the stakes for the international community ahead of the crucial poll.

The Taliban have vowed to disrupt the vote, which was called in response to massive fraud in the first round.

‘We'll intensify our attacks in the coming days. We'll disrupt the elections,’ Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.

‘We have new plans and tactics for attacks to disrupt the elections,’ he added.

Assaults and intimidation by the Taliban, who were toppled by US-led forces in 2001, were a major deterrent to voters in the first round of the election on August 20, when turnout in some provinces was as low as five percent.

Ban said that as a precaution, ‘we are first of all trying to consolidate our staff who are scattered around in Kabul.’Extra measures would be most needed ‘outside Kabul where UN security is clearly insufficient,’ he added.

The UN chief said more forces were needed, possibly including private security firms, and he praised the ‘heroism’ of Afghan guards who on Wednesday attempted to hold off the Taliban assailants at a UN residence in Kabul.

Ban said he had spoken with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and ‘urged him again that he should take immediate action to strengthen security measures for the premises.’Ban also said he was ‘very much encouraged’ by the Security Council's reaction to his plea.

More than 100,000 foreign troops are in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban and US President Barack Obama is mulling a request by his commander on the ground, General Stanley McChrystal, for tens of thousands of reinforcements.

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The National Assembly Standing Committee on Law approved the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), as the opposition made strong protests and boycotted the committee meeting.
The law committee approved the NRO after a hectic debate that spanned two consecutive days.

The committee passed all seven clauses of the controversial ordinance, and now the NRO will be taken up in the parliament to face its toughest challenge: to become part of Pakistani law.

Meanwhile, the committee proposed that civil or criminal cases should be removed under the ordinance only after permission by the concerned court of law.

Probably the strongest opponent of the NRO, the PML-Nawaz boycotted the meeting just before the final approval of the NRO. The PML-Q also staged a token walk-out over it.

The PML-N, led by leader of the opposition, Chaudhry Nisar, came out strongly against it, calling it a black law and saying that its passage will be a stigma on the parliament. The party also called the very composition of the law committee, which gave this approval, unconstitutional.

The ordinance enables the government to withdraw civil and criminal cases against anyone, filed between the period of January 1986 to October 1999.

Four out of seven clauses of the NRO were passed without any changes, two were withdrawn and one was amended.

The government withdrew the two clauses dealing with the formation of the Ethics Committees for parliamentarians and Members of the Provincial Assemblies (MPAs).

Originally, the NRO restricts the arrest of any parliamentarian or the MPA without the prior consent of the ethics committees.

The government proposed an amendment in Clause-7 of the NRO that court’s permission would be required before removing any criminal or civil case under the NRO.

Now the government plans to pass the NRO from the Parliament next month. But the opposition pledges to frustrate the move to get the NRO passed.

The opposition also says that the option of approaching the Supreme Court against the NRO is also open.

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China has expressed keen interest in participating in the Prime Minister’s Housing Scheme to develop affordable houses for every Pakistani.

These views were expressed here Friday by a three-member delegation from Pakistan Housing Authority including Syed Turrab Haider Zaidi, Senior Joint Secretary, Ministry of Housing and Works, Col (Rtd) Subha Sadiq Malik, Director General Land Pakistan Housing Authority (PHA) and Athar Nawaz Malik, Director General (C&PM) of PHA.

Mr Zaidi said that because China was collaborating in the development of various projects in Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari desires that Pakistan should also benefit from Chinese expertise in the PM’s housing scheme for low income groups.

He said their visit was in line with the directive of the top leadership during which they held a number of productive meetings here in coordination with the senior officials from the Pakistani Embassy.

The delegation meetings included China State Engineering Corporation, Beijing Construction Company, Shanghai Construction Company, CCPIT, and International Contractors Association of China.

Pakistan, Zaidi said, wants to benefit from the efficient, environment friendly, energy saving, low cost, natural disaster resistant and rapid construction techniques of the Chinese in the housing sector.

The Chinese side has expressed interest by saying that ‘We want to invest in Pakistan in housing sector,’ Mr Athar Nawaz Malik told APP.

Malik further said that the Chinese side is ready to collaborate with the Ministry of Housing to make the Prime Minister’s Housing Scheme a success.

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The Supreme Court was informed on Friday that the government and mill owners have agreed to sell sugar to domestic consumers at Rs40 per kg.

A signed agreement of the two parties was presented to the Supreme Court during the hearing of the case.

The sugar mills will release 30 per cent of the available stock of sugar for domestic consumption and the remaining 70 per cent shall be released for industrial consumption.

The release of sugar for domestic and industrial consumption shall be made on a daily basis maintaining the ratio of 30:70.

The decision to this affect was made in a meeting of stakeholders held here Friday which finalized the supply and distribution of sugar to domestic consumers at Rs40 per kg in every part of the country.

A three-member bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and comprising Justice Jawwad S Khwaja and Justice Ghulam Rabbani heard the case.

The apex court was told that sugar would be purchased from mill owners at Rs36 and sold to domestic consumers at Rs40 per kg.

The court appreciated the agreement and ordered its implementation. The Chief Justice said that sugar should now be available to the consumers throughout the country and the court should not hear anything about problems to the consumers in this regard.

The Chief Justice asked the mill owners to immediately provide sugar to the market as there were complaints of non-availability of the commodity in the market.

The court was informed that 30 percent domestic consumers need 11,400 metric tones sugar daily.

Secretary Finance Salman Siddique told the court that presently the existing stocks of sugar in the country were 378,000 metric tones, sufficient for the month of November.

The court was told that new National Sugar Policy 2009-10 has been framed and it would be presented before the Cabinet for approval next week.

The court, directing for implementation of the agreement, adjourned the hearing to a date in office.

Later talking to reporters at premises of the Supreme Court, Secretary Finance, Salman Siddique said that it was responsibility of the provincial governments to ensure provision of sugar to consumers and its monitoring.

He said the provincial governments were bound to provide sugar to the consumers at Rs40 per kg. He said the formula presented before the court was for the present year and a separate policy would be framed for the next year.

A meeting in this regard will be held very soon in which the chief ministers of all four provinces will also participate.

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton prepared Friday to wrap up a diplomatic mission to Pakistan overshadowed by an outburst against the government over Al-Qaeda and a massive bomb attack, AFP reports.

The top US diplomat was scheduled to hold talks in the capital Islamabad with Pashtun leaders, the ethnic group that dominates both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, journalists, police and lawmakers.

Clinton has sought to use her three-day visit to the troubled US ally to bolster the civilian government and counter rising anti-US sentiment as Pakistan wages a campaign against Taliban fighters behind a wave of bomb attacks.

But after calling for a new start in the often uneasy relationship at round after round of meetings, she appeared to lose patience during a face-to-face with senior Pakistani editors and business leaders late Thursday.

There was no immediate public response from Pakistan. A military statement released after her talks with army chief of staff General Ashfaq Kayani said only that ‘both exchanged candid views on matters of mutual interest.’

A massive car bomb ripped through a crowded market in Pakistan’s Pashtun capital Peshawar on Wednesday, just hours after Clinton arrived in the country, killing 105 people and underscoring the gravity of the extremist threat.

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As things fall apart around us, it is a struggle to make sense of any of it. Hold your head or cover your face or curl up in the fetal position, escape is impossible.It’s there in the newspapers, on news channels, the streets, homes and offices: the graphic, almost ghoulish, intersection of war and politics in this country. And nobody, not one person screeching on TV or expounding in private, is truly able to explain what is happening.


After months of a quasi-siege of the Baitullah Mehsud network’s lairs in South Waziristan, the army has finally moved in. We were told, in private and sometimes on the record, that there were around 10,000 militants there who needed to be killed or captured. But where have they gone? The ISPR’s figures don’t add up; a dozen killed here, a handful captured there, a few score killed or injured elsewhere.

Strongholds of the militants have fallen and been retaken by the army, but it sure doesn’t seem like there is an army of 10,000 militants waiting to fight to the death.

Have the militants done the equivalent of circling the wagons in a small area? Or have they laid elaborate defences to trip up the army and escaped elsewhere?

I can’t help but recall a short, telling exchange at a briefing in Islamabad on the eve of Operation Rah-i-Nijat. The army official was confident that the militants couldn’t flee to Afghanistan because there is a strip of land between the Mehsud strongholds and the Pak-Afghan border where troops were lying in wait to snare the militants.

Yes, but could they not escape via North Waziristan, asked one of the country’s better-informed militancy analysts. If there was an answer, I didn’t hear it and the briefing moved on.

A central problem of the military operations undertaken in the last year and a half is now becoming apparent: the TTP militants have fanned out in so many parts of Fata and northwest Pakistan that the army may be trapped in a dangerous game of whack-a-mole.

Swat, Malakand division, Bajaur, Mohmand, Khyber and now South Waziristan — that’s already a long list of areas in which operations have been undertaken. But, from a security point of view, the alarming thing is that after each area the army enters, new threats begin to be pointed out elsewhere.

Even as the operation in South Waziristan continues, fears have been raised about a ‘second base’ of the militants in Kurram and Orakzai agencies. We have seen this before; during Operation Rah-i-Rast in Malakand division, South Waziristan was pointed out as the ‘centre of gravity’ of militancy. Before that, during the operations in Bajaur and Mohmand, other areas were similarly pointed out.

It is too soon to say, but the army must be aware of the possibility of being dragged into a quagmire, a situation in which it is forced to fan out across Fata and NWFP to deny the militants a ‘base’ but unable to do anything about the militants’ preferred tactic of striking at the soft underbelly of the state inside the country’s cities and towns.

Of course, a counter-insurgency was always going to be a drawn-out, messy affair and these are early days yet, but given the sub-optimal nature of the state it’s not clear if a sequential approach to counter-insurgency can win this war. By sequential I don’t just mean a series of military operations in various parts of the country, but the other crucial element of a successful counter-insurgency: counter-terrorism measures, especially in the cities and towns.

At the moment, the intelligence and law-enforcement agencies seem simply overwhelmed by the wave of violence in Pakistan’s cities and they are playing a desperate game of catch-up. The government of the day will always get the blame for these failures, and to an extent that is correct, but the fact is the issue goes deeper than that: the state itself is not geared towards effective, let alone adequate, counter-terrorism measures.

The militants will know that if they can sustain a wave of terrorist violence across the country, pressure will build on the army and the government in the weeks and months ahead for ‘peace talks’ and ‘deals’ that will once again give the militants’ breathing space in their tribal strongholds. But strengthening the intelligence, surveillance and law-enforcement planks to stop, or at least slow down, the wave of violence is not just a matter of throwing more resources at the problem.

More resources are needed, absolutely, but time and time again knowledgeable analysts point to something else: the lack of will in the army to call a spade a spade and to discard its prioritisation approach, wherein it only regards those groups which are directly, repeatedly and ferociously attacking the state as a threat that needs to be tackled immediately.

If evidence for this was needed, it came during that same briefing on the eve of Operation Rah-i-Nijat. The Laskhar-i-Taiba, we were told, was being deliberately conflated with Al Qaeda as part of an Indian plan to get the state here to do something about a problem that bothered the Indians the most.

There was an acceptance that south Punjab did pose some problem and the correct approach of using civilian agencies rather than the army to fight it was admitted, but you can’t help but wonder: how genuinely can we be fighting all elements of the toxic brew of militancy in the country today when the army is still trotting out the Indian propaganda line?

And the obvious corollary: how can we expect to win this war if we aren’t fighting all the pieces in the militancy jigsaw? Have a look at the names and domiciles of the militants blamed for the current wave of violence in the country. At least half, if not a majority, of them are Punjabi, not tribal.

The army can grimly march from one tribal agency to another for years, give its troops the best counter-insurgency training possible, get all the equipment it needs, but it will never win this war until it recognises the enemy for what it is: deadly, complex, hydra-headed and capable of growing elsewhere even as parts of it are hacked off.

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India is in the midst of a familiar debate: how far should a nation use force to protect the rule of law? The question has arisen because the Naxalites, the extreme leftists, have come to control almost one-sixth of the country where the civil administration had failed. Their area has come to be termed as the red corridor.


The central government has woken up to the challenge to its authority rather late. The Naxalites, also called the Maoists, formed themselves into a political party in the late 1960s when India began to have problems with China. The Communist Party of India (Maoist) had declared a war against the state a few years ago and has indulged in violence in a limited form.

Today, guerrilla warfare, has gathered so much strength and support, particularly in West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa and, to some extent, in Andhra Pradesh, that the Naxalites have joined issue with the state publicly and defiantly. They recently stopped the Rajdhani Express and detained the train for hours. Television channels were alerted to get endless publicity.

A few days earlier, the Naxalites released a West Bengal police officer with a piece of paper inscribed with ‘POW’ pasted on his chest, meaning that they had released a prisoner taken during the war between the Naxalites and the state. In fact, this was their reply to New Delhi’s appeal to them to abjure violence.

Civil society is overwhelmingly against their methods but generally agrees with their demand for the improvement of living conditions for the vast majority. (Twenty-two per cent of the country’s GDP is reportedly controlled by 20 per cent of the corporate houses). Society’s support on economic matters is turning into the Naxalites’ strength. Most people travelling in the hijacked train were impressed by the Naxalites’ protest and said so. The use of peaceful tactics was meant to convey that they did not use violence indiscriminately.

The armed revolution to ‘liberate’ the country and eliminate poverty are entirely different issues. The Naxalites have confused the two. One relates to the use of the gun, the other to development.

That the different ruling parties have failed to implement the directive principles of the constitution to remove deprivation is absolutely correct.

Yet, it is equally correct that democracy enjoins upon the people to pursue the rule of law, not violence. The Naxalites’ ideology that power comes from the barrel of the gun has been rejected. An armed revolution does not fit into the nation’s ethos, however frustrating the ways of democracy are.

The Naxalites are wrong when they believe that they have liberated one-sixth of the country. No doubt, they have given a better deal to the Adivasis, but the latter are also afraid to defy the Naxalites’ guns. And the state’s apparatus can neither give the Adivasis their livelihood, nor save their national resources.

In fact, whatever the Naxalites are trying to convey is only hardening the intelligentsia’s opinion against them. What, in fact, the Naxalites are re-emphasising is the theory of the survival of the fittest.

The central government which is fighting against the Naxalites is itself indulging in excesses. There are numerous examples of this. The northeast is littered with them.

The withdrawal of thousands of cases against the Adivasis indicates how the police had picked them up for petty theft like cutting wood. The women against whom the West Bengal government withdrew the cases to placate the Naxalites were above 75.

Mahatma Gandhi commended the bravery of revolutionaries and praised Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev and Rajguru who were hanged by the British, but differed in their methods. We have the example of Sikh militancy which lasted for a decade. It ended when people turned against those who were killing the innocent.

The Adivasis and some others are taken in by the Naxalites in particular areas because of the atrocities committed against them and because of the forced alienation of their land.

They were helpless. Nobody except the Naxalites reached them. If a landlord takes away a villager’s wife and keeps her in his house to abuse sexually when the husband pleads with him to return her and his children, what is the villager supposed to do?

Such examples can go on. In most tribal areas such an atmosphere prevails. The objection is not against the protest raised by the Naxalites but the manner in which it is being done. The use of violence may give them a temporary victory in a limited area. But this is not revolution and nowhere near the ideology of Marxism which is a quest for justice.

The two Indian communist parties have also said that Naxalites are not leftists, although the two praise Stalin who killed millions of innocent people. The ideology should not to be confused with force or the ambition to come to power without elections. The people’s consent is required. Justice loses its purpose when attained through force.

Violence in India can lead to developments which may go out of hand. There are too many fissiparous tendencies. The outcome can be anything — dictatorship of the right or India’s disintegration. That the system needs to be changed does not have to be overstated. When even after 62 years of independence, two-thirds of the people remain poor, the overhauling of the polity is essential.

Should the ballot box or bullet change this is the question. True, the ballot box has done little. But the fault is also that of the liberals. They got a chance in 1977 when the Jayaprakash Narayan movement with the slogan of parivartan (change) defeated the Congress in the 1977 Lok Sabha elections. It was a revolution indeed. And those who won wasted that opportunity.

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The series of recent terrorist attacks call for a close analysis of the militant threat and the formulation of a strategy to ward off such tragedies. At the moment, we seem to be jumping from one target to another, fighting some enemies and denying the existence of others. Hence the plan lacks strategic depth as the state appears to pursue one type of enemy leaving out others.


It will help to explain that the state of Pakistan is confronted with three enemies that are closely intertwined. Firstly, there is Al Qaeda, which comprises Arabs, Uzbeks and a select group of Pakistanis. Then there is the Taliban who consist of different branches including the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan. The latter are ideologically connected to the group known as the Pakistani Taliban who, although they consider Mullah Omar their ameer-ul-momineen, are engaged in fighting a battle inside Pakistan to capture the state.

This is considered essential to establish a system that could then be taken to the rest of the world. A glance through Farzana Sheikh’s recent book Making Sense of Pakistan demonstrates that some modern Muslim thinkers such as Abul Ala Maududi and Allama Iqbal also considered the state as a forum. However, this is not to suggest that these two thinkers advocated using violence in the same way as the Taliban.

Then there are the Punjab-based Salafi-jihadi groups wrongly termed as the Punjabi Taliban. Actually, Taliban is a term that has a certain historical context and can only be used in the case of the Afghan Taliban. Nevertheless, the Punjabi jihadis are ideologically-driven and keen to take on the state.

The various Punjab-based groups or those connected with Punjab assist others in Waziristan and Swat. They even use the tribal areas as a hideout. For example ‘Commander’ Ilyas Kashmiri, who heads the 313 Brigade of the Harkat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Huji), took refuge in Waziristan in 2005 after he developed problems with Pakistan’s military. Then there is the Amjad Farooqi group, which was also involved in the assassination attempt on Pervez Musharraf.

The above description is meant to demonstrate that since the enemy is diverse, it cannot just be seen through the single lens of the Taliban. Unfortunately, the state has buried its head in the sand by arguing that while there is a problem in Waziristan, there is hardly anything to worry about in Punjab. The Punjab government in particular seems to deny the fact that there are Punjabis involved in religious militancy. The Punjabi jihadis, in fact, are crucial because they mingle easily with the crowd in places where the attack is to be carried out.

The attackers must reconnoitre the target in advance before chalking out a plan. An outsider can be spotted easily. Thus the dependence on Punjab-based militants to carry out attacks in the capital or Lahore. Recently, it was claimed that the mastermind of the Marriott bombing and the GHQ attack was caught from Bahawalpur.

Reading such reports one wonders why the Punjab government is going on the defensive, withholding information about the presence of militants in Punjab, especially southern Punjab. Naming southern Punjab as a possible place for jihadi recruitment does not mean that youth from other places such as Faisalabad, Gujranwala or Lahore are not involved. However, the concentration of religious militants is in this region.

This fact is logical because of the link between three major militant outfits in southern Punjab. One could argue that the government might not want people to concentrate on this region because of the presence of outfits which do not fight the state, such as Jaish-i-Mohammad or Lashkar-i-Taiba, and that the problem is only with the breakaway factions, as ISPR spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas recently argued. But the fact is that no one can control individuals or groups breaking away from the mother organisation and linking up with the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

It is amazing the extent to which the government can go to withhold information about the seemingly ‘friendly’ groups. For instance, recently during a television programme Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah went out of his way to suggest that the Jaish-controlled madressah, which is also the outfit’s headquarters, is not a no-go area. He even tried to make a lame excuse when informed that a team from a local channel was attacked when they tried to take shots of the area from the outside.

More interestingly, the minister immediately accused me of using a western lens to look at the situation, an accusation also made by Jaish-i-Mohammad in its weekly magazine Al Qalam. The article was written with the specific purpose to incite people against me. The writer had twisted words and facts from one of my previous articles and presented them in a way that made me appear as an enemy. This was immediately brought to the knowledge of the interior ministry, which promised to provide help. Intriguingly, it took the Bahawalpur DPO more than three hours to make the first contact. The lapse might have been at either end but considering that I could survive for three hours I declined their help.

In any case, one does not expect sympathy from a district administration that has lately been going out of its way to hide the activities of an outfit. The game is that you are not allowed an opportunity to prove anything because the evidence suddenly disappears once you raise a hue and cry.

The Punjab government’s attitude reflects political expediency. A lot of big traders in southern Punjab and other parts of the province who are constituents of the different factions of the Muslim League are believed to finance the outfits both directly and indirectly. This is not to suggest that other political parties are any better.

However, the bottom line is that while as an individual one feels unprotected by the state, it is sad to think that the authorities believe they can deal with religious militancy on a piecemeal basis. A holistic strategy is necessary, not to protect western interests but to safeguard the state and its citizens.

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Police arrested more than 50 Afghan nationals in different parts of the city and three Tajik students in a North Nazimabad seminary on Thursday, in a surprise move against foreigners staying in the city illegally.

The fresh action within the remits of some half a dozen police stations led to the arrest of a total of 58 Afghans, who would be charged under the Foreign Act.

‘The police action began in the second half of the day and led to the arrest of 58 Afghan nationals in Surjani, Sohrab Goth, Maghopir, Gulshan-i-Maymar, Taimuria and Gadap police stations,’ said an official. ‘All the arrested persons were questioned before their formal arrest and none of them could justify their stay in the country.’

He said the police had enhanced patrolling across the city in the wake of recent security threats and closely monitored the movements of foreigners in parts of the city.

‘The action is only meant to keep a check on foreigners in the city and the recent vigilance has resulted in the arrest of a number of foreigners staying in the country without legal documents,’ added the official.

At sunset a heavy contingent of the police raided a madressah in the Buffer Zone area, where a large number of foreign students were enrolled in different courses.

‘The police checked the record and data with the madressah administration,’ said the official. ‘During the course of brief questioning, the police came to know about three Tajik nationals, enrolled with the madressah, who failed to come up with required documents for their stay and education in Pakistan.’

He said the three Tajiks would be booked for violating the respective law.

Meanwhile, a source in the police shared with this reporter the figures of the arrested Afghans. ‘A total of 20 Afghans were arrested in the Surjani police station, 25 in Sohrab Goth, three in Manghopir, five in Gadap, four each in Gulshan-i-Maymar and Taimuria police station limits,’ added the source.

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A moderate 5.6-magnitude earthquake struck off Indonesia’s Sulawesi island Thursday, but there were no immediate reports of damage and no tsunami warning was issued, seismologists said.

The quake struck at 2:21 pm (0521 GMT) local time, 168 kilometres at sea southeast of Manado city in North Sulawesi province at a depth of 30 kilometres, the Indonesian Meteorological and Geophysics Agency said.

Indonesia sits on the Pacific ‘Ring of Fire,’ where the meeting of continental plates causes high volcanic and seismic activity.

A 7.6-magnitude quake that struck Sumatra island on September 30 killed more than 1,000 people.

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Pakistan has welcomed India’s readiness to discuss all outstanding issues, including Jammu and Kashmir.

Commenting on Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s recent statement expressing readiness to discuss with Pakistan all issues, including Jammu and Kashmir, a Foreign Office spokesman said this was a welcome reiteration of the understanding reached at the Sharm-El Sheikh summit between Pakistan and India.

The spokesman said it had been agreed that the dialogue process was the only way forward. ‘We have always said that Pakistan and India should not allow terrorists and militants to define and drive the agenda on issues of peace, security and stability in South Asia,’ he said.

He said the dialogue process offered hope for a meaningful engagement to address all issues. ‘Pakistan will not be found wanting in sincere efforts to promote regional peace and stability and to make the peace process irreversible,’ he said.

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Wasim Akram has requested a goverment inquiry 'at the highest level' following the sudden death of his wife and the events that led to it, Pakistan's Sports Minister Pir Aftab Shah Jilani has revealed to the Press Trust of India.


Huma Akram died in a Chennai hospital on Sunday following multiple organ failure. She was 42.

She was admitted to the hospital on Oct 20 in an emergency situation, suffering from a fever. The air ambulance carrying her from Lahore to Singapore had stopped in Chennai for refuelling when her condition worsened.

Wasim chose to fly his wife to Singapore for treatment as he was not satisfied with the care provided to her in Lahore.

‘I went to meet Wasim today at his residence in Lahore to offer my condolences on the sad death of his wife,’ he said.
‘During our meeting Wasim conveyed to me that he was neither happy nor satisfied with the medical care or attention provided to his wife by doctors at the national hospital and private hospitals in Lahore.

‘Wasim asked me to use all government level channels to hold an inquiry to find out if the medical attention to his wife was adequate,’ he added.

Doctors in Lahore where Huma was being treated have denied any negligence and have in fact claimed she was flown abroad 'against doctors advice.'

‘A panel of 10 senior doctors of three private hospitals of Lahore were not in favour of taking Huma abroad (Singapore) keeping in view her serious condition,’ one of her physicians told the Dawn on Monday.

‘Heart and kidney complications arose while she was being flown. She had to be taken to the hospital in Chennai when the plane stopped there for refuelling.’

The physician at the Lahore hospital said that after undergoing dental treatment in Karachi in September last, she had developed throat infection and had dry cough.

She received the treatment and in the first week of October her condition was diagnosed with having developed acute renal failure and increase in her white cell count, he said.

The doctor added that other complications Huma developed during the period reportedly were severe infection of kidney with acute tubular necrosis, vasculitis (inflammation of blood vessels), and pulmonary hypertension (high pressure in blood vessels of lungs).

‘She was improving clinically when Wasim Akram decided to shift her to Singapore for better treatment,’ the physician said and added that Akram told one of the doctors that he was under ‘immense pressure’ from his in-laws to get her treated abroad.

Another doctor who examined Huma told this reporter that there was ‘some confusion’ in her diagnosis and this could be one of the reasons behind shifting her abroad.

Dr Munidar Rao of Apollo Hospital (Chennai) told a private channel on Monday that when Huma was brought to the hospital she was in septic shock leading to multiple organ failure and doctors could not save her.

‘I failed to understand as to why she was being shifted to Singapore in such a critical condition,’ he said.
Allama Iqbal Medical College Principal Dr Javed Akram has also questioned the move saying that there was no particular surgery, procedure, or medicine which was available in Singapore and not in Lahore in the case of Ms Huma.

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India is withdrawing about 15,000 soldiers from Kashmir in a confidence-building move with the region’s separatist political groups as it seeks to restart negotiations to help end a two-decade insurgency.

Kashmiri separatist groups urged New Delhi to pull out troops, release prisoners and end alleged human rights violations after the Indian government offered talks this month.

A military spokesman said one army division was being moved in a phased manner since September from the districts of Rajouri and Poonch because of improvements in the security situation.

‘The readjustment and relocation of troops is subject to security reviews and periodic assessment of ground situation,’ Lt. Col. Biplab Nath said.

Violence is now at its lowest in Kashmir since a separatist insurgency against Indian rule in the region broke out in 1989, but officials say incidents of ‘infiltration’ of militants from Pakistan have risen over the past few months.

India moved about 4,000 soldiers from its Pakistan border in Kashmir in March. There are an estimated half a million Indian security personnel, including soldiers, deployed in Kashmir.—

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The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s charm offensive rolled into a wall of suspicion at one of Pakistan’s top universities on Thursday as students grilled her on whether America was truly ready to be a steadfast partner in a time of crisis.

Mrs Clinton, on the second day of a three-day visit aimed at turning around a US-Pakistan relationship under serious strain, was presented with stark evidence of the “trust deficit” that yawns between the two countries, now bound together in the struggle against religious extremism.

“What guarantee can the Americans give Pakistanis that we can now trust you ... and that you guys are not going to be betraying us like you did in the past,” one student asked at a “townhall-style” meeting Mrs Clinton held at the Government College University in Lahore.

Mrs Clinton, who has sought to use her own personal outreach to overcome rising anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, repeated her conviction that the two countries’ common interests far outweighed their differences.

“I am well aware that there is a trust deficit,” she said. “My message is that’s not the way it should be. We cannot let a minority of people in both countries determine our relationship.”

Mrs Clinton urged Pakistan’s youth to stand firm against the forces of religious extremism, saying it threatened everything that both Americans and Pakistanis held dear.

US officials have cast Mrs Clinton’s visit to Pakistan as a chance to counter anti-American broadsides from extremist religious leaders and to showcase Clinton’s personal affinity for a country she says she knows and loves deeply.

The students peppered her with questions about Washington’s perceived policy slant towards India, the use of unmanned ‘drones’ to attack targets in Pakistan and whether or not the US would support a treason trial of Gen Pervez Musharraf.

Some of the toughest questions centred on the Kerry-Lugar bill which aims to triple US assistance to Pakistan to some $7 billion over the next five years, but contains conditions which many Pakistanis regard as an affront to their sovereignty.

Mrs Clinton repeated Washington’s argument that the bill’s conditions are merely a measurement of effectiveness — but conceded that “we did not do a very good job communication in what our intentions were”.

At separate meetings with senior journalists and business leaders, Mrs Clinton struck an assertive tone, hitting out at the government of Pakistan over Al Qaeda and calling for better management of the economy.

She took issue with Islamabad’s position that the Al Qaeda leadership was not in Pakistan. “Al Qaeda has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002,” she said.
“I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to,” she added.

“Maybe that’s the case; maybe they’re not gettable. I don’t know... As far as we know, they are in Pakistan,” she added.

She also showed impatience with criticism of the Kerry-Lugar bill and said: “At the risk of sounding un-diplomatic, Pakistan has to have internal investment in your public services and your business opportunities,” Mrs Clinton told businessmen, taking swipe at tax evasion in the cash-strapped country.

“The percentage of taxes on GDP is among the lowest in the world... We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move, and that’s not what we see in Pakistan,” she said.

“You do have 180 million people. Your population is projected to be about 300 million. And I don’t know what you’re gonna do with that kind of challenge, unless you start planning right now,” she said.

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ISLAMABAD, Oct. 29 (Xinhua) -- A 6.1-magnitude earthquake rocked the Pakistan areas at 11:44pm local time Friday, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) said.

The tremor was felt in Pakistani cities of Islamabad, Lahore and Peshawar,Mansehra Azad Kashmir according to local TV reports, which first put the magnitude at 6.1. Many people ran out of their houses to the open air in fear as their cities were hit by the earthquake.

A Pakistan Meteorological Department official was quoted as saying that the epicenter was at Serhad, Punjab nd Azad Kshmir areas.

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The U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that Pakistan squandered opportunities over the years to kill or capture leaders of the al-Qaeda terrorist network responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.While U.S. officials have said they believe Osama bin Laden and senior lieutenants have been hiding in the rugged terrain along the border with Afghanistan, Clinton's unusually blunt comments went further as she suggested that Pakistan's government has done too little to act against al-Qaeda's top echelon. "I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to," Clinton told the Pakistani journalists in Lahore. "Maybe that's the case. Maybe they're not gettable. I don't know."


With the country reeling from Wednesday's devastating bombing that killed at least 105 people in Peshawar, Clinton also engaged in an intense give-and-take with students at the Government College of Lahore. She insisted that inaction by the government would have ceded ground to terrorists. "If you want to see your territory shrink, that's your choice," she said, adding that she believed it would be a bad choice.

On Clinton's flight to the capital, U.S. Ambassador Anne Patterson said Clinton's remarks to the Pakistani journalists approximate what the Obama administration has told Pakistani officials in private settings. "We often say, 'Yes, there needs to be more focus on finding these leaders,'" Patterson said. "They other thing is, they lost control of much of this territory in recent years and that's why they're in South Waziristan right now."

The army began an offensive Oct. 17 against Taliban forces in a portion of the tribal areas near the Afghan border. Patterson noted that al-Qaeda is mostly in that region. In Lahore, Clinton told university students that their government had little choice in taking a tougher approach.

Dozens of students rushed to line up for the microphone when the session began. Their questions were not hostile, but showed a strong sense of doubt that the U.S. can be a reliable and trusted partner for Pakistan.

One woman asked whether the U.S. can be expected to commit long term in Afghanistan after abandoning the country after Russian occupiers retreated in 1989. "What guarantee," the woman asked, "can Americans give Pakistan that we can now trust you — not you but, like, the Americans this time — of your sincerity and that you guys are not going to betray us like the Americans did in the past when they wanted to destabilize the Russians?"

Clinton responded that the question was a "fair criticism" and that the U.S. did not follow through in the way it should have. "It's difficult to go forward if we're always looking in the rearview mirror," said Clinton, on the second of a three-day visit, her first to Pakistan as secretary of state.

The Peshawar bombing in a market crowded with women and children appeared timed to overshadow her arrival. It was the deadliest attack in Pakistan since 2007.

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